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Terrain and tables…are we doing it right?

So, we have all done table setup.  HOWEVER, how many of us do it right?  Not many. I know I  didn’t.  Not even close.  I set up a game with a friend a month or so ago and we rolled dead on even and had a TON of terrain.  We  RAN OUT of matching terrain.  Plus…I’ve seen lots of pics of tourneys.  We don’t set up terrain right.  Period.  You can argue all you want, but most of us are vets from 5th and we rock the 25%-ish theory when in reality it is a WHOLE LOT closer to 50%.  HOWEVER…You should have 6D3 pieces of major terrain.  Minor terrain should be 1-3 PER major piece of terrain.  But…is more terrain what we need?  No.  Terrain should not just hamper a linear assault across the board.  Wars wash over terrain like water, with hills, cities, and valleys shaping the movement of troops like it would water.  This is how it REALLY happens.  So…how can we build  a better table to lead to, what I believe, an even more awesome experience!

By the way…this is what a strong roll looks like- 15 pieces.  So THIS is possible and sort of plausible because we have seen 6 dice rolled before with three 5’s and 6’s and three 3’s and 4’s.

1) Elevation.  Elevation exists.  Find me a battlefield that is flat.  It doesn’t happen.  Things like raptors on flat ground aren’t that good… if you add some significant elevation changes and PRESTO! They are meaningful.  Check out this table:

OKAY, OKAY! This IS a games day table.  However, check it out.  Lots of elevation changes.  Does this mean that jump infantry is needed?  No.  BUT, it does mean that that Wave serpent army jumping around is gonna take a LOT of dangerous terrain checks JUST TO MOVE because a) it has lots of terrain and b) he can’t just be up high and see.  This brings me to my next point…

2) Line of sight.  With 2″ hills, ruins, and the occasional LOS blocking thing, fliers are brutal and skimmers are just disgusting.  When drawing LOS is as simple as getting on top of a hill and then you are SOL, guess what…that’s what people will do.  Check out the table.  NOW…draw a line across the table.  From one edge to another.  Can you find a straight shot?  I couldn’t.  This changes the dynamics of combat.  6th hit assault armies, but buffed them again with increased terrain AND mysterious forests and rivers.  Suddenly a) you gotta work to see the enemies entire army with your retardedly powerful gunline and b) I wouldn’t suggest hanging out in terrain JUST to get those estra hits cuz he doesn’t have assault grenades or try to deny an assault because of assaulting through difficult terrain.  By not setting up terrain, we are empowering those cheezy metas that we all hate.  The quad riptide gunline.  Guess what…he aint that powerful when he has to always try to get a shot so he is always moving.  When it is open terrain he can shoot then run away and never move TOWARDS the enemy.  You make it with lots of LOS blocking stuff, he may only be able to get a shot from a certain spot.

3) Terrain as a shaping force: Check this out ——————————————————————–>

Basically, it’s a few hills…not even that much terrain (yes, I know it’s being worked on right now…).  HOWEVER, this terrain shapes the battle.  Terrain such as this allows for creation of choke points (because wars are not fought on random terrain!).  Things that both sides can use for their advantage.  Yes, the IG artillery player can hide beyond the canyon walls and ruin the day of enemies, but what happens when they flank the army?  What happens when they DO clear that choke point and break the IG artillery!  Now they are screwed. 😛

So, that’s all I will rant about this subject.  I only brought this up after having played several games and realized that a) the terrain did little to nothing.  Cover was minimal.  I could START in cover, but there were HUGE chunks of area for infantry to die in.  In total, about 25-30% of the table.  About 1-2 small to medium pieces per 2×2 square.  That’s some pretty weak rolls. 😛  I do it.  Many of us are guilty of this.  Sometimes it’s a theme thing (we are out of lava terrain…screw it, that’s enough).  Many times, it’s a habit thing.  I placed all the lava pieces available and much of the table was covered.  Small pieces that did little, but I said “WOW, that’s too much terrain”…and I removed some.  Often, we try to make things symmetrical and leave big open gaps.

I think a good test is this.  If you can pick a spot in a deployment zone from 6″ up and see everything, even if it is in cover, then your terrain placement is not good.  There is a reason why both players set up terrain.  That is to ensure that the table IS balanced.  Because tables set up with nothing really taller than that 2” hill with maybe two of them stacked is grossly in favor of gunline armies.  It just is.  Why oh why would we walk across no-mans-land into gunfire?  It’s silly.  Same time, why would a gunline player want a trail of terrain and LOS blocking stuff all the way up to them.  It’s not my FLGS only, either!  For example, some other examples:

That enough?  Three different sites, similar results.  Limited LOS blocking stuff.  Almost zero terrain elevation, none of which could not be simply walked over or at an almost zero impact driven around.  Look at the themes on the table.  Necrons.  Eldar.  Fliers with 100% visibiltiy!  What IS NOT present?  Assault forces (yes, I know, it’s only 4 armies, not a good sampling…I get it!).  However, let’s take a good look at our OWN FLGS and say “Hey, the book says do it this way, let’s try it”.  Then, let’s not settle for the same old terrain.  Do hills on hills!  Ruins on hills.  Treat that river as impassible except for bridges and ford sites.  Use mysterious stuff.  Think about the question – Can I get online and walk across to his online army and then beat the crap out of each other?  If yes, then perhaps you could think about a different setup.  This is NO WAY an attack on players setting up stuff like this…I DO!  But, rather an idea to broaden our gaming experiences and make our terrain tables look like battlefields…not tables.
Thanks for reading,

KI!

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Could games workshop actually have a plan….what?!

Ok, so we have all seen it if we have been to a 6th edition 40k tournament. Modification of the rules. In 5th, it happened every now and then, but normally we played by the book. We omitted bunkers, but this was a very minor portion of the game at the time.

But now…wow, it seems people refuse to update for some reason. Lets see-

Warlord trait: Yeah, they aren’t gamechanging to plan on. But then again, a smoke launchers aren’t normally either. Think of this as something LIKE a smoke launcher. Given the right role, right board, and right enemy they could be a game changer. Other than that, they just are. Roll a trait and rock it.

Mysterious terrain: Personally I love it. It is encouragement to NOT hangout in area terrain. Now that you can fire after going to ground, guardsmen in area terrain are brutal and tough. Plus, it’s funny. Sorry, it just is.

Now, why do I mention this. GW spent well over a year developing this. This means that a group of people who are intimately aware of GW future plans spent over a third the time most people spend in college building a gaming platform and most gamers seem to think that things like mysterious terrain and warlord traits are not going to be built on.

We have seen the warlord traits already in the new CSM codex. Now all the game shops that banned the things in tournaments have irritated CSM players. What happens when a new Nid codex comes out and a special character can make D3 peices of area terrain mysterious nid terrain that does something…but we did away with mysterious stuff. Or a new Tau codex that allows Kroot to choose mysterious terrain it enters. Adding this stuff back is tough after people get into the swing of not using it. But really, let’s break down WHY people don’t want mysterious stuff:

1- Too much bookkeeping: Really. Who ever says this while playing a game as in depth and complex is just throwing us a straight up line of BS. I would suggest it as they are running a list where they don’t want variables…ie. they don’t want to have to improvise.

2- Makes things unbalanced…ie. Skyfire nexus. THIS IS THE ONLY DAMN ONE I CAN POSSIBLY THING OF THAT IS UNBALANCED!!!! It is a mysterious objective that gives skyfire rules. But to be unbalanced, I have to put that unit so that it is CLAIMING the objective (which means only troops), THEN I HAVE TO ROLL IT, then I have to hit and knock your flyer down and if you stay in range that is your own damn fault. Also, flyer armies don’t have much that has skyfire against them short of other flyers and FMCs. Ironbark COULD be considered unbalanced if the stars aligned just right as well, but hardly reason to remove a rule from the game!

3- It’s useless so why bother: Again, pure laziness here. If you ask me, it adds flavor which is NEVER useless.

4- Setup takes too much time: Ok, this one I can see best out of all. HOWEVER, if your FLGS or someone there gets the mysterious terrain table on a seperate sheet of paper and kept it next to the table you could rock through this phase of setup.

5- It is not consistent and not in keeping with the competitive environment: Ok, for all you competitive folks out there, this game is not designed for tournaments. GW ACTUALLY said that. So why are you making that way. You want hardcore, Alphas competing against Alphas your ass on the line if you dont win, go do any of the eighty million other activities. Play sports, do an eating competition, or hell, join the military where every damn thing is a competition from PT to rifle qualification. Whatever you do, you aren’t gonna get actual consistency in a game based on dice…sorry, won’t happen.

Well, that’s my rant for today.

KI

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